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'''Conflict''' within the broader community  
 
'''Conflict''' within the broader community  
  
Some kind of interactions between Debian Devloper Sebastian Cowenburg and PDAL Developer Howard Butler, have led to protest and action by sebastic. The net effect is that from May 2022 onward, new revisions of PDAL will not be built and inluded in the "upstream" Debian GIS system of packaging. There is a complex and long-standing relationship between Debian GIS/sebastic and OSGeoLive/UbuntuGIS/kalxas.  Essentially, both Debian and UbuntuGIS opportunistically feed on the work products of the other. There is a general context of more work than any one or small group of people can do, to formalize and ingest new OSS software into Debian packages. [7]
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Some kind of interactions between Debian Devloper Sebastian Cowenburg and PDAL Developer Howard Butler, have led to protest and action by sebastic. The net effect is that from May 2022 onward, new revisions of PDAL will not be built and inluded in the "upstream" Debian GIS system of packaging. There is a complex and long-standing relationship between Debian GIS/sebastic and OSGeoLive/UbuntuGIS/kalxas.  Essentially, both Debian and UbuntuGIS opportunistically feed on the work products of the other. There is a general context of more work than any one or small group of people can do, to formalize and ingest new OSS software into Debian packages. [10]
  
 
Debian packaging is the standard for signed, authenticated software products to be integrated into linux OS computers, and include the most trusted sources of software available today, due to cryptographic immutability and integrity of the package contents.
 
Debian packaging is the standard for signed, authenticated software products to be integrated into linux OS computers, and include the most trusted sources of software available today, due to cryptographic immutability and integrity of the package contents.
  
[7]  [https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages -DEBIAN-]
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[10]  [https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages -DEBIAN-]
  
 
     EMAIL Inquiry April 2022  
 
     EMAIL Inquiry April 2022  

Revision as of 16:08, 15 May 2022

Open Issues from the Mailing List May 2022


from: jenriquesoriano@guadaltel.com cc: Marco.MINGHINI@ec.europa.eu; portele@interactive-instruments.de; herrmann@interactive-instruments.de; michael.lutz@ec.europa.eu; josebarrero@guadaltel.com

Dear OSGeoLive team, we contact you to kindly propose the inclusion of the ETF testing framework in the OSGeoLive distribution. Following the requirements, please find below the answer to the required questions. Please let us know if any additional clarification is needed. [0] -VLINK- -GITHUB-


Reply: Angelos 4/28 Thank you for your application. ; We will process during our next project meeting and provide feedback.



from: Jim Klassen 4/11 I'd suggest looking at the live-build debian package (which is also available in Ubuntu). It can build an iso/usb hybrid boot image (with optional installer), supports a persistence file on USB, and doesn't seem to have a 4GB limit on the squashfs root.
Reply: Angelos 4/28 Yes, this has been a nice option since Ubuntu switched to using live-build officially some years ago. I think we need a demo script to see how it would work before deciding if this is the way forward. In the meantime, there is an option to use xorriso package (I need to find some time to test)



Java Version 5/14 darkblueb: Deegree Code Sprint -- the take-away from the email was.. Deegree v3.4x will work with Java 8; Deegree v3.5x will require Java 11 and a newer Tomcat..


PDAL Misc Notes

Discussion of PDAL, related source code projects, related technology, goals of the OSGeoLive project, goals of OSGeo dot org, general commentary.

Technology -- Point clouds are a digital format of remote sensing data [0]. Intense advancement of digital geospatial technology in the modern era includes point clouds, for visualization structures [1], for situational awareness in security applications, measurement & modelling of remote sensing environments including ground water surfaces and forestry applications, and more.

The LAS file format [2] was invented by FOSS author Martin Isenburg and subsequently gained standing as an international standard. Using invention and out-of-the-box thinking, LAS represents true, original advancement in the open digital science field. Martin is widely regarded now, after his passing, as one of the great contributors to our field [3]. Subsequently, a system for compression on the data was devised, with associated IP rights. [4] PDAL is an extensible software system implemented mostly in C++, as a project modeled directly on the vastly-influential GDAL project. Founder Howard Butler used ideas, community mechanisms and plug-in driver-model, based directly from GDAL. [5]

Howard 'hobu' Butler and PDAL PSC Member Mike Smith have indicated that PDAL plus "all of Howard's projects" are affected by the recent diplomatic snafu. This list is at least PDAL, liblas, libspatialindex, and python-rtree.[7] (python-rtree is a python wrapper for libspatialindex) Please note that dozens of prominent contributors have built these collected software libraries, not Howard Butler alone [8]. The contributor list, enginerring correctness, and market impact of these software libraries are built directly on the community and engineering reputation of GDAL.

[0] -WIKIPEDIA- [1] -GOOGLE- [2] -LAS- [3] -BIO- [4] -ZIP- [5] -PDAL- [6] -LINK-

[7] https://salsa.debian.org/debian-gis-team/libspatialindex https://salsa.debian.org/debian-gis-team/python-rtree https://salsa.debian.org/debian-gis-team/geographiclib

[8] https://github.com/libLAS/libLAS/graphs/contributors https://github.com/libspatialindex/libspatialindex/graphs/contributors https://github.com/Toblerity/rtree/graphs/contributors

[9] -DISTRO-

Goals of OSGeoLive

The OSGeoLive GNU-linux project exists to showcase the ecosystem of OSGeo dot org incubated projects with documentation in ten+ human languages, serves as a reference code implementation of installation and inter-operability of these software projects using OGC and open standards, and demonstrate using a curated showcase of examples to trial the software without undue burden on the user. Current and developing technology stacks, on the server, in the browser, on the desktop, are updated and run in a modern, networked linux stack. OSGeoLive has been recognized by Distro-watch and other professional catalogs of modern linux. [9]

History -- past uses of PDAL on OSGeoLive:

PDAL binary has existed on OSGeoLive linux for some years. In June 2018, a short install script was added to the OSGeoLive repo. [6]


https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeolive/ticket/2072

https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeolive/ticket/2283

Conflict within the broader community

Some kind of interactions between Debian Devloper Sebastian Cowenburg and PDAL Developer Howard Butler, have led to protest and action by sebastic. The net effect is that from May 2022 onward, new revisions of PDAL will not be built and inluded in the "upstream" Debian GIS system of packaging. There is a complex and long-standing relationship between Debian GIS/sebastic and OSGeoLive/UbuntuGIS/kalxas. Essentially, both Debian and UbuntuGIS opportunistically feed on the work products of the other. There is a general context of more work than any one or small group of people can do, to formalize and ingest new OSS software into Debian packages. [10]

Debian packaging is the standard for signed, authenticated software products to be integrated into linux OS computers, and include the most trusted sources of software available today, due to cryptographic immutability and integrity of the package contents.

[10] -DEBIAN-

   EMAIL Inquiry April 2022 
   Hi Howard -
   thank you for presenting and organizing at Cloud-Native Geospatial Days this week.
   re: Debian  Can you help me understand this email ?  I do not have current context on this.
    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1009625
   thank you   --Brian M Hamlin    /  MAPLABS  /  Berkeley, Calif.
   Howard Butler replies:
   The context is Bas is removing PDAL from Debian [1]. No other Debian
   maintainer has come forward to continue its inclusion.
   [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-gis/2022/02/msg00004.html

The present author Brian M Hamlin, MAPLABS Berkeley, raised the issue to the Board of Directors of OSGeo dot org in April 2022, noting that some kind of clock is now ticking, marking the 'removal' of PDAL (and perhaps a small list of related software) from the Debian build pipeline. In fact, no packages will be 'removed' from Debian, it means that no new packages will be built and integrated, past that date, as things stand now. The details of this mechanism are complicated. Angelos has indicated that UbuntuGIS project has seperate standing, and may or may not be in a similar situation.

OSGeo Board Meeting wiki "Board Meeting 2022-04-25"

 * Issues in Debian packaging of pdal (https://pdal.io/)
 * Conda can’t be used on OSGeoLive
 * What exactly is required from board? (considering PDAL is not an OSGeo affiliated project)
 * Considering it as a technical problem, a solution can be figured out internally for inclusion of PDAL in OSGeoLive  (ed. within the OSGeoLive project)

kalxas indicated a willingness to build bridges at the Board level to the PDAL project, considering that most everyone involved is an OSGeo member

How to Proceed

Wiki Notes on PDAL - darkblueb writes:

  ""LiDAR "maybe?" : this is slightly painful since modern commercial GIS is flooded with this tech, delivered by advanced Western companies seeking something novel to sell. Changes to the LASzip licensing have enabled inclusion, but as of today, no Debian maintainer in place, and bas wants PDAL out at this time. -EMAIL- -EMAIL2-""

Online Chat meeting, partial notes:


libLAS-link-   libspatialindex-link-   python-rtree-link-

   darkblueb writes:
    "Personalmente, no espero paquetes de Debian. Si creamos un script de instalación personalizado e incluimos etiquetas de versión de git y lo enviamos solo en OSGeoLive, está bien para mí.
   "Personally, I don't expect Debian packages. If we create a custom install script and include git version tags and push it only on OSGeoLive, that's fine with me.


After the short IRC meeting went badly:

   3:07:57 PM - darkblueb: robe2 - you are trusted by this org, you have successful clients and a book that sells a few copies, and at this point, you are a leader here. this disk serves this community.. that is my commitment
    of course I have opinions, I have three decades of real work in software in California.  My opinion 
    includes getting access to high tech, to people who are not insiders, and not necessarily in a uniform 
    thats what drives these PDAL etc talks.. GNU + open FAIR access.. it is my view
   darkblueb: very few people show up to do the work here.. I like it and do it enthusiastically.. not everyone is glad for that, apparently.. so it goes
   robe2: darkblueb:  That's one of the clearest things you've said today.  I have that opinion too.  Just not as convinced as you how to get there.  I have not much opinion on how to get there.  Just that the shortest path is not a straight line

Remove Snapd

   darkblueb@live:~$ sudo snap list
   Name    Version   Rev    Tracking       Publisher   Notes
   core20  20220329  1434   latest/stable  canonical✓  base
   snapd   2.55.3    15534  latest/stable  canonical✓  snapd
   darkblueb@live:~$ sudo snap remove core20
   core20 removed
   darkblueb@live:~$ sudo snap remove snapd
   snapd removed
   darkblueb@live:~$ sudo systemctl stop snapd && sudo systemctl disable snapd
    Warning: Stopping snapd.service, but it can still be activated by:
      snapd.socket
    Removed /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/snapd.service.
   darkblueb@live:~$ sudo apt purge snapd
   Reading package lists... Done
   Building dependency tree       
   Reading state information... Done
   The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
     libfwupdplugin1 squashfs-tools
   Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
   The following packages will be REMOVED:
     snapd*
   darkblueb@live:~$ rm -rf ~/snap
   darkblueb@live:~$ sudo rm -rf /snap /var/snap /var/lib/snapd /var/cache/snapd /usr/lib/snapd /root/snap

apache_allura            https://github.com/apache/allura.git
ArcRasterRescue          https://github.com/r-barnes/ArcRasterRescue.git
batyr                    https://github.com/nmandery/batyr.git
BONAI                    https://github.com/jwwangchn/BONAI.git
containerd               https://github.com/docker/containerd
cpdup                    https://github.com/DragonFlyBSD/cpdup.git
csv2sqlite               https://github.com/psanford/csv2sqlite.git
cube-in-a-box            https://github.com/opendatacube/cube-in-a-box.git
datacube-core            https://github.com/opendatacube/datacube-core.git
docker-postgis           https://github.com/appropriate/docker-postgis.git
earthenterprise          https://github.com/google/earthenterprise
elegant-scipy            https://github.com/elegant-scipy/elegant-scipy.git
gdal-segment             https://github.com/cbalint13/gdal-segment.git
geographiclib-code       https://github.com/geographiclib/geographiclib
geonode                  https://github.com/GeoNode/geonode.git
geopandas                https://github.com/geopandas/geopandas.git
geos                     git@github_key:libgeos/geos.git
geos-performance         https://github.com/pramsey/geos-performance.git
gitea                    https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea
gobby                    https://github.com/gobby/gobby.git
high_performance_python  https://github.com/mynameisfiber/high_performance_python.git
imaptools_github         https://github.com/woodbri/imaptools.com.git
introduction_to_ml_with_python   https://github.com/amueller
ipython                  https://github.com/ipython/ipython.git
jts_loctech              https://github.com/locationtech/jts.git
jupyter-cm               https://github.com/jupyter-incubator/contentmanagement.git
jupyter_notebook         https://github.com/jupyter/notebook.git
kaggleScape              https://github.com/adgirish/kaggleScape.git
leehach_census           https://github.com/leehach/census-postgres.git
libgeotiff               https://github.com/OSGeo/libgeotiff.git
libosmium                https://github.com/osmcode/libosmium.git
libosmium                https://github.com/osmcode/osm-testdata
logbt                    https://github.com/mapbox/logbt.git
looking-glass-pub        https://github.com/developmentseed/looking-glass-pub.git
mapcache                 git://github.com/mapserver/mapcache.git
mapserv_basemaps         https://github.com/mapserver/basemaps.git
mapserver_github         https://github.com/mapserver/mapserver.git
ML_for_Hackers_github    https://github.com/johnmyleswhite/ML_for_Hackers.git
modern-cpp-tutorial      https://github.com/changkun/modern-cpp-tutorial.git
narsc16                  https://github.com/sjsrey/narsc16.git
opencv                   https://github.com/opencv/opencv
opencv-itseez            https://github.com/Itseez/opencv.git
opengdp                  https://github.com/opengdp/opengdp.git
osm2pgsql_git            https://github.com/openstreetmap/osm2pgsql
osmcode_osm-gis-export   https://github.com/osmcode/osm-gis-export
osmium-tool              https://github.com/osmcode/osmium-tool.git
osm-testdata             https://github.com/osmcode/osm-testdata
oss-fuzz                 https://github.com/rouault/oss-fuzz
OWSLib                   git://github.com/geopython/OWSLib.git
pandas_020               https://github.com/pandas-dev/pandas.git
pandoc                   git://github.com/jgm/pandoc.git
perfecttin               https://github.com/OSGeo/perfecttin.git
perfecttin               https://github.com/phma/perfecttin
pgimportdoc              https://github.com/okbob/pgimportdoc.git
pgsql-ogr-fdw            https://github.com/pramsey/pgsql-ogr-fdw.git
proj_github              https://github.com/OSGeo/PROJ
protozero                https://github.com/mapbox/protozero
psycopg2_git             https://github.com/psycopg/psycopg2.git
pygeos                   https://github.com/pygeos/pygeos
pygit2                   https://github.com/libgit2/pygit2.git
pystac_github            https://github.com/azavea/pystac.git
qhull                    https://github.com/qhull/qhull.git
rasterio                 https://github.com/mapbox/rasterio.git
raster-vision            https://github.com/azavea/raster-vision.git
rindcalc_github          https://github.com/darkblue-b/rindcalc.git
ripgrep                  git://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep
satproc                  https://github.com/dymaxionlabs/satproc.git
scikit-image             https://github.com/scikit-image/scikit-image.git
scikit-learn             https://github.com/scikit-learn/scikit-learn.git
scipy_github             https://github.com/scipy/scipy.git
scitools_iris            https://github.com/SciTools/iris.git
Shapely                  https://github.com/Toblerity/Shapely.git
tile38                   https://github.com/tidwall/tile38.git

Note:

[0] adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/metrics.html <--- this is in the Project application material? current url should be :

https://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html