Public Geospatial Data Project Update Mission

Brainstorming Phase

This page is for brainstorming for the purpose of refining the Mission Statement of the OSGeo Public Geospatial Data Project.

Please add any entries to the following sections as well as placing your name and a +1 next to those statements that you feel are *most* important and a -1 next to those statements that you feel should not be part of the Public Geospatial Data Project. Don't hesitate to add any statements that conflict or contradict any of the other statements on the lists - this is for brainstorming.

Purpose

(Why do we need a Public Geospatial Data Project?)

• Free software is useless without data (from OSGeo Goals)
  • bitner +1
  • vdb 0. Too strong statement for me, but I can see the idea.
  • ominiverdi +1
  • markusN +1
• Varied sample datasets are critical for GIS education
  • bitner +1
  • vdb + 1. This would greatly help, indeed.
  • markusN +1: and there is!
• Free counterparts to Google Maps and friends are necessary
  • crschmidt +1
  • vdb +1
  • ominiverdi +1 (seems more like a dream but I like it)
  • markusN +1
• Make it easy to find (free) data to use in OSGeo software
  • crschmidt +1
  • vdb +1
  • ominiverdi +1 (fundamental to me)
  • nedhorning +1 Would be useful to have a utility to facilitate processing varied data to create data sets with seamless layers using a common extent, projection, resolution
  • markusN +1: OSGeo software needs OSGeo one stop data "shop" (but free data)
  • kgjenkins +1 (or for any other software)
• Spread the word about already available geodata collections, not only for use with OSGeo software
  • markusN +1: the current approach doesn't scale
  • kgjenkins +1 (there are many under-used, hard-to-find sources of good, free data)
• Have relationships in place to respond to disasters
  • (bitner +1)
  • (crschmidt +1)
  • ominiverdi 0 (don't think we can already manage this)
  • markusN: +0 (maybe for 2010, first we need data consolidation)
• Show off OSGeo software in action
  • bitner +1
  • crschmidt -1. This is fine if we do it en route to other things, but delaying any action based on the idea that we should be using Geodata mission as a place to 'demo' software seems silly. (I'm probably biased, because everyone uses OpenLayers either way ;))
• Extend Open Source ideals to the data world
  • crschmidt -1 -- 'Open Source ideals' as a statement is too vague to necessarily apply to data. For example, one of the big things that makes open source 'open source' in my opinion is the ability to modify the code as you see fit. Some geodata -- aerial imagery especially -- doesn't require the ability to 'modify' to be useful, so long as other, more useful, rights are available, like reuse or deriving data from the imagery.
  • The Sunburned Surveyor -1 - I agree with crsmchidt. I think this item should be rolled into the one below it.
  • kgjenkins ("open access" ideals, perhaps)
• Promote and facilitate open data creation, licensing, documentation, and distribution
  • nedhorning +1
  • The Sunburned Surveyor +1
  • ominiverdi +1
  • kgjenkins +1 (advocate "best practices" for data formats, etc. and set a good example)

Tasks

(What are we doing to meet the needs?)

• Provide hosting support to mirror any datasets
  • Crschmidt +1
  • vdb +1
  • The Sunburned Surveyor +1
  • ominiverdi +1 (I like it but personally I'm doing nothing in this direction)
  • markusN +1 (I seek space to publish the elaborated MODIS time series for the OSGeo NC data set which needs 400MB of space)
  • kgjenkins +1 (esp. those from small organizations, developing countries, etc. lacking a robust tech infrastructure)
• Provide computing resources and volunteer support to pull together and add value to datasets
  • bitner +1
  • nedhorning +1
  • The Sunburned Surveyor +1
  • markusN +1 (we have already started together with Martin Spott to enrich geonames.org, VMAP0 etc)
  • kgjenkins +1 (simply bringing together data from diverse sources adds value)
• Provide forum to create relationships and exercise the ability to come together in disasters
  • markusN +0 (we first need data)
• Create multi-resolution datasets and services to provide best available base map data / imagery
  • crschmidt +1: this is something that currently users can only get via Google, and it's something that I think a lot of people can help with in a way that Google will never be able to succeed at. Between ultralights, state agencies having more of a stake in a public project than in google, etc. it is a way to show OSGeo value quite clearly.
  • vdb +1
  • nedhorning +1 Look into collaboration with NASA WorldWind
  • markusN +1 (agrees with nedhorning)
  • kgjenkins +1 (OAM is quite promising...)
• Host applications using free data using OSGeo software
  • bitner +1
  • zool +1
  • ominiverdi +1 (dreaming at new GeoNetwork install)
  • markusN +1
• Offer guidelines for public geodata licensing and help to connect people who are needing and offering advice
  • (zool +1)
  • nedhorning +1
  • The Sunburned Surveyor +1
  • ominiverdi +1 (this is a very important problem: there's still nothing legally valuable to suggest but Public Domain)
  • markusN +1
  • kgjenkins +1 (this could encourage reluctant data creators to openly share their data... i.e. the bullet below)
• Actively pursue interactions with holders of GIS data (state agencies, city governments, etc.) to open their data by providing infrastructure and advice
  • crschmidt +1
  • bitner +1
  • vdb +1
  • nedhorning +1 To make this viable we need to think of a long term support plan. We are currently relying on the generosity of Telescience. What if we loose this resource? This is important to think through if we offer infrastructure.
  • The Sunburned Surveyor +1
  • ominiverdi +1 (we should go side by side with OSM, this is the what's happening in the Italian community)
• Actively pursue interactions with community data gathering projects (a la OSM) and encourage them to engage with the OSGeo community to the benefit of both groups
  • crschmidt +1
  • bitner +1
  • vdb +1
  • nedhorning +1 This is an area where I see OSGeo having huge potential. There is clearly growing activity in this arena (it even has a name – Volunteered Geographic Information). OSGeo can play a role supporting existing projects and also generating/incubating/supporting innovative ideas.
  • ominiverdi +1
  • kgjenkins +1
• Pursue grants and provide funding opportunities to further Geodata objectives
  • ominiverdi -1 (we have a lot to do before this point make sense)

Beliefs

(What motivates our work?)

• Data should be free
  • bitner +1
  • The Sunburned surveyor
  • ominiverdi +1
  • markusN +1 (free as in free software with reasonable free licenses)
  • kgjenkins +2
• It should be easy to get free geodata (with a good [or at least known] quality level)
  • vdb +1
  • The Sunburned Surveyor
• It should be easy to share free geodata
  • kgjenkins +1
• Standards help the flow of data
  • crschmidt -1: "Standards" as the term is generally useful tend to only be useful as a way to argue. Software to read all the existing data in the world is good, and we're getting pretty good at having that to the extent we need it. With that in mind, I'd say that 'standards' are less important than well documented low-setup cost services or the like.
  • markusN +1 (please avoid proprietary formats)
  • The Sunburned Surveyor
• Too much wanking keeps things from getting done
  • crschmidt: Not really relevant, but I agree anyway.
• Actions speak louder than words
  • crschmidt +1
  • crschmidt: Note that the latter two above are not really relevant in a 'mission statement', even if they are obvious to participants :)
  • ominiverdi +1
  • markusN +1 (already started :) )
• The OSGeo Data Committee has some great minds and we should be able to work together to make significant contributions toward improving the state of GeoData.
  • nedhorning +1
  • kgjenkins +1
• People who want to collect/create GeoData and make it available to the masses should be able to do that with ease and those who are not interested should be enlightened
  • nedhorning +1
  • kgjenkins (those not interested in collecting/creating will hopefully be interested in using)

Hurdles

(What gets in our way?)

• Licensing terms
  • +1 crschmidt. Many organizations that would love to help don't have the knowledge -- and more importantly, without strong legal backing, it's hard to offer it to them.
  • +1 vdb (+2 if I could)
  • ominiverdi +1 (chris +1)
  • kgjenkins +1
• Too much talking about what we need to do, and not just doing
  • +1 vdb(me first)
• Much of the work is done under different banners
  • crschmidt +1 No centalized 'mission' thus far means we have 4 people doing four different things and no osgeo-level cooperation.
• The lack of a complete version of this document ;)
  • crschmidt +1
• Lack of incentives for people to work on and complete specific projects
  • nedhorning +1 One incentive is money – there are certainly others. Some folks have limited volunteer time so making GeoData projects part of their day-job would likely improve productivity. It would be great to see individuals team up with others who can work together to write proposals for funding. These “team” projects might be a better way to start rather than looking for larger OSGeo-wide projects. One exception is that OSGeo could pursue funds to manage a grant-giving initiative to fund individual projects.
  • kgjenkins (Lack of time is also a major problem. We need to convince ourselves that "if I put 10 hours into this, I will get 100 hours back in return...")