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1. Mobile GIS BOG attendees
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'''IMPORTANT NOTE'''
  
NOTE: Please, add yourself if you're not on the list or fix your name if it's incorrectly spelled below.
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''This is only the first part of Mobile GIS BOF minutes. The second part was written down by Tim Bowden. He will publish it in a couple of weeks, when he is back home after his journey.''
  
Brent Fraser
 
David Villalon
 
Frank Warmerdam
 
Frederic Pouget
 
Jan-Oliver Wagner
 
Just van den Broecke
 
Ludovic LESTRAT
 
Mateusz Loskot
 
Silke Reimer
 
Till
 
Tim Bowden
 
Tyler Mitchel
 
  
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== Where, When and Who? ==
  
2. Why you are here?
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* Place: FOSS4G 2006 conference, Lausanne, Switzerland
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* Starting date: 13-Sep-2006, 18:00
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* Duration: 02h00'
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* Presenters:
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** Mrs. REIMER, Silke
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** Mr. BOWDEN, Tim
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** Mr. LOSKOT, Mateusz
  
Silke:
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== Mobile GIS BOF Attendees ==
It's possible there is an opportunity to found some work on Open Source mobile solutions
 
Contribution of project management, infrastructure, place for meetings,
 
marketing stuff, may be founds.
 
  
Just:
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'''NOTE:''' ''Please, add yourself if you're not on the list or fix your name if it's incorrectly spelled below.''
On-line services.
 
Apps for mobile phones.
 
Multimedia features.
 
Tracking platform for mobile devices.
 
Contribute multimedia features, Java development.
 
  
Tim:
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* Brent Fraser
Collecting data in a field.
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* David Villalon
Consume data in a field
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* Ventura Mendoza
Synchronize data on mobile devices against servers.
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* [[User:Frank_Warmerdam|Frank Warmerdam]]
Provide building blocks, not end user application.
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* Frederic Pouget
Contribute use cases, testing and ideas.
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* Jan-Oliver Wagner
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* [[User:Just|Just van den Broecke]]
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* Ludovic LESTRAT
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* [[User:Mloskot|Mateusz Loskot]]
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* Silke Reimer
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* Till
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* Tim Bowden
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* [[Tyler Mitchell]]
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* [[AndrewTurner|Andrew Turner]]
  
Till:
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== Why you are here? ==
Collecting data infrastructure features in a field
 
Identify object in a field
 
The idea was/is to develop a client that provides data and identification tool,
 
POI, ROI, Routing tool.
 
The idea is to connect central database with mobile client.
 
Contribute: experience about Java Script (->Web based) on mobile devices, ideas, testing.
 
Looking for: well-designed and developed platform.
 
  
Brent:
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'''NOTE:''' ''Please, add your notes below if anything is missing.''
Data collection in a field and server upload capabilities.
 
Use mobile device as an input device, not only for output/data provider.
 
Good accuracy level.
 
Collect control points to rectify satellite image.
 
Precise navigation and locating capabilities.
 
Mobile device -> iPAQ
 
  
Frederic:
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=== Silke ===
Interested in mobile solutions.
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* It's possible there is an opportunity to found some work on Open Source mobile  
Works for private sector, not Open Source company.
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* Contribution of project management, infrastructure, place for meetings, marketing stuff, may be founds.
LBS for mobile platform.
 
  
Ludovic:
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=== Just ===
Works with ArcPad based solutions.
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* On-line services.
Inventory of features in field.
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* Apps for mobile phones.
Contribute: testing
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* Multimedia features.
 +
* Tracking platform for mobile devices.
 +
* Contribute multimedia features, Java development.
  
Tyler:
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=== Tim ===
Provide advanced features of visualization, 3D, etc.
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* Collecting data in a field.
Tablet PC
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* Consume data in a field
 +
* Synchronize data on mobile devices against servers.
 +
* Provide building blocks, not end user application.
 +
* Contribute use cases, testing and ideas.
  
???
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=== Till ===
iPod-based solution
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* Collecting data infrastructure features in a field
 +
* Identify object in a field
 +
* The idea was/is to develop a client that provides data and identification tool,
 +
* POI, ROI, Routing tool.
 +
* The idea is to connect central database with mobile client.
 +
* Contribute: experience about Java Script (->Web based) on mobile devices, ideas, testing.
 +
* Looking for: well-designed and developed platform.
  
Mateusz:
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=== Brent ===
Interested in development of mobile GIS framework, a set of libraries
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* Data collection in a field and server upload capabilities.
and components usable in other projects, end-user solutions.
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* Use mobile device as an input device, not only for output/data provider.
Provide foundations for mobile GIS development.
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* Good accuracy level.
GUI independent.
+
* Collect control points to rectify satellite image.
 +
* Precise navigation and locating capabilities.
 +
* Mobile device -> iPAQ
  
3. Project output
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=== Frederic ===
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* Interested in mobile solutions.
 +
* Works for private sector, not Open Source company.
 +
* LBS for mobile platform.
 +
 
 +
=== Ludovic ===
 +
* Works with ArcPad based solutions.
 +
* Inventory of features in field.
 +
* Contribute: testing
 +
 
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=== Tyler ===
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* Need outdoor mobile platform for environmental assessment, etc.
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* Particularly interested in applying [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_reality Augmented Reality] concepts to GIS data.
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* Provide advanced features of visualization, 3D, etc.
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* Tablet PC platform would be good, plus cameras and multiple sensors (digital compass, gps, accelerometers)
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* Frustrated with current windows options
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=== ??? ===
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* iPod-based solution
 +
 
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=== Mateusz ===
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* Interested in development of mobile GIS framework, a set of libraries and components usable in other projects, end-user solutions.
 +
* Provide foundations for mobile GIS development.
 +
* GUI independent.
 +
 
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=== David ===
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* Working in an european project (SMITA project) devoted to develop a mobile gis client for tourist, with LBS and based in open source and open standards.
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* Web-based apps for smart phones and pda devices.
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* Contribute: exchange of experiences, testing.
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=== Ventura ===
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* Working in an european project (SMITA project) devoted to develop a mobile gis client for tourist, with LBS and based in open source and open standards.
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* Web-based apps for smart phones and pda devices.
 +
* Contribute: exchange of experiences, testing and disemination.
 +
 
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== Project output ==
  
 
We can see three different applications for mobile devices:
 
We can see three different applications for mobile devices:
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c) is very different application to a) and b)
 
c) is very different application to a) and b)
  
4. Development platform
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== Development platform ==
  
 
a) Langauge:
 
a) Langauge:
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b) Tools:
 
b) Tools:
- Visual Studio 2005 - a commercial toolset, the only option for Windows Mobile development :-(
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- Visual Studio 2005 - a proprietary toolset, the only option for Windows Mobile development :-(
 
- gcc-based toolset for cross-compilation, but there is no debugger
 
- gcc-based toolset for cross-compilation, but there is no debugger
  
5. Type of application
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== Type of application ==
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- standalone application (most of participants likes this one)
 
- standalone application (most of participants likes this one)
 
- thin client (a web-based solution)
 
- thin client (a web-based solution)
 
- strong client (standalone application or a combination)
 
- strong client (standalone application or a combination)
  
6. Data
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== Data ==
a) vectors
 
- shapefile seems to be a reasonable vector format
 
- GML and WFS
 
  
b) rasters
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Data sources localization we want to support:
- what about tiling?
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* local
- WMS
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* remote
  
7. What GIS components we have ready to use?
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Main data types we want to support:
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* vector
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* raster
  
a) Windows Mobile
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Various data sources and formats possible to use:
- OGR
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* vectors:
- PROJ.4
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** local files (ie. shapefiles, mapinfo)
- SQLite
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** GML and WFS
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** database (ie. [http://www.sqlite.org/ SQLite])
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* rasters:
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** tile server for rasters
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** WMS
  
b) Linux
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Available libraries to access and operate spatial data:
- most of currently available portable libraries are runnable on Linux on mobiles
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* [http://www.gdal.org/wince.html GDAL/OGR for Windows CE]
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* [http://shapelib.maptools.org/ Shapelib]
  
8. GPS
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== What GIS components we have ready to use? ==
  
a) Windows Mobile
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* Windows Mobile
- there is a GPS API:
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** OGR
http://mateusz.loskot.net/2006/01/07/a-first-glance-at-the-gps-api-in-windows-mobile-50/
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** [http://proj.maptools.org/ PROJ.4] and [http://mateusz.loskot.net/projects/proj4/ PROJ.4 port for Windows CE]
- gpsd does not officially run on Windows-based systems, what about porting it?
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** SQLite
- there is always an option to develop our own portable library for reading and parsing NMEA sentences
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* Linux
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** most of currently available portable libraries are runnable on Linux on mobiles
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== GPS ==
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All Mobile GIS BOF participants agree that we need a GPS support.
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=== Windows Mobile ===
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* GPS API and GPS Intermediate Driver (GPSID) - [http://mateusz.loskot.net/2006/01/07/a-first-glance-at-the-gps-api-in-windows-mobile-50/ see short overview]
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* [http://gpsd.berlios.de/ gpsd] does not officially run on Windows-based systems, what about porting it?
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* There is always an option to develop our own portable library for reading and parsing NMEA sentences
 
from serial/... port in a separate thread (no TCP/IP server/listener required)
 
from serial/... port in a separate thread (no TCP/IP server/listener required)
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=== Linux ===
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* [http://gpsd.berlios.de/ gpsd] works very well on Linux
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[[Category:FOSS4G2006]]

Latest revision as of 11:52, 23 January 2009

IMPORTANT NOTE

This is only the first part of Mobile GIS BOF minutes. The second part was written down by Tim Bowden. He will publish it in a couple of weeks, when he is back home after his journey.


Where, When and Who?

  • Place: FOSS4G 2006 conference, Lausanne, Switzerland
  • Starting date: 13-Sep-2006, 18:00
  • Duration: 02h00'
  • Presenters:
    • Mrs. REIMER, Silke
    • Mr. BOWDEN, Tim
    • Mr. LOSKOT, Mateusz

Mobile GIS BOF Attendees

NOTE: Please, add yourself if you're not on the list or fix your name if it's incorrectly spelled below.

Why you are here?

NOTE: Please, add your notes below if anything is missing.

Silke

  • It's possible there is an opportunity to found some work on Open Source mobile
  • Contribution of project management, infrastructure, place for meetings, marketing stuff, may be founds.

Just

  • On-line services.
  • Apps for mobile phones.
  • Multimedia features.
  • Tracking platform for mobile devices.
  • Contribute multimedia features, Java development.

Tim

  • Collecting data in a field.
  • Consume data in a field
  • Synchronize data on mobile devices against servers.
  • Provide building blocks, not end user application.
  • Contribute use cases, testing and ideas.

Till

  • Collecting data infrastructure features in a field
  • Identify object in a field
  • The idea was/is to develop a client that provides data and identification tool,
  • POI, ROI, Routing tool.
  • The idea is to connect central database with mobile client.
  • Contribute: experience about Java Script (->Web based) on mobile devices, ideas, testing.
  • Looking for: well-designed and developed platform.

Brent

  • Data collection in a field and server upload capabilities.
  • Use mobile device as an input device, not only for output/data provider.
  • Good accuracy level.
  • Collect control points to rectify satellite image.
  • Precise navigation and locating capabilities.
  • Mobile device -> iPAQ

Frederic

  • Interested in mobile solutions.
  • Works for private sector, not Open Source company.
  • LBS for mobile platform.

Ludovic

  • Works with ArcPad based solutions.
  • Inventory of features in field.
  • Contribute: testing

Tyler

  • Need outdoor mobile platform for environmental assessment, etc.
  • Particularly interested in applying Augmented Reality concepts to GIS data.
  • Provide advanced features of visualization, 3D, etc.
  • Tablet PC platform would be good, plus cameras and multiple sensors (digital compass, gps, accelerometers)
  • Frustrated with current windows options

???

  • iPod-based solution

Mateusz

  • Interested in development of mobile GIS framework, a set of libraries and components usable in other projects, end-user solutions.
  • Provide foundations for mobile GIS development.
  • GUI independent.

David

  • Working in an european project (SMITA project) devoted to develop a mobile gis client for tourist, with LBS and based in open source and open standards.
  • Web-based apps for smart phones and pda devices.
  • Contribute: exchange of experiences, testing.

Ventura

  • Working in an european project (SMITA project) devoted to develop a mobile gis client for tourist, with LBS and based in open source and open standards.
  • Web-based apps for smart phones and pda devices.
  • Contribute: exchange of experiences, testing and disemination.

Project output

We can see three different applications for mobile devices: a) End-user application, a kind of viewer or editor b) Data collecting solution, with GPS, editing and automation features c) The third one, is a kind of LSB solution for mobile phones or other small devices with GPS/GSM capabilities.

a) and b) are main lines of development proposal. c) is very different application to a) and b)

Development platform

a) Langauge: - C/C++ - it seems to be our language of choice - Java - mainly used on mobile phones - Python - who has worked with Python on mobile devices?

b) Operating platform - Windows Mobile >= 5.0 - the main OS on the mobile devices market at the moment; target platform of the first prototype - Linux - most of us would prefer to develop for Linux, but it's not very popular yet, no commercial support for Linux-based mobile devices, etc.

b) Tools: - Visual Studio 2005 - a proprietary toolset, the only option for Windows Mobile development :-( - gcc-based toolset for cross-compilation, but there is no debugger

Type of application

- standalone application (most of participants likes this one) - thin client (a web-based solution) - strong client (standalone application or a combination)

Data

Data sources localization we want to support:

  • local
  • remote

Main data types we want to support:

  • vector
  • raster

Various data sources and formats possible to use:

  • vectors:
    • local files (ie. shapefiles, mapinfo)
    • GML and WFS
    • database (ie. SQLite)
  • rasters:
    • tile server for rasters
    • WMS

Available libraries to access and operate spatial data:

What GIS components we have ready to use?

  • Linux
    • most of currently available portable libraries are runnable on Linux on mobiles

GPS

All Mobile GIS BOF participants agree that we need a GPS support.

Windows Mobile

  • GPS API and GPS Intermediate Driver (GPSID) - see short overview
  • gpsd does not officially run on Windows-based systems, what about porting it?
  • There is always an option to develop our own portable library for reading and parsing NMEA sentences

from serial/... port in a separate thread (no TCP/IP server/listener required)

Linux

  • gpsd works very well on Linux